2017 Season Countdown: #16 Michael Onwenu

2017 Season Countdown: #16 Michael Onwenu


August 16, 2017

Michael Onwenu (image via MLive)

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Name: Michael Onwenu
Height: 6’3″
Weight: 350 lbs.
High school: Detroit (MI) Cass Tech
Position: Offensive guard
Class: Sophomore
Jersey number: #50
Last year: I ranked Onwenu #68 and said he would be a backup offensive guard. He played in nine games at offensive guard, defensive tackle, and on special teams.
TTB Rating: 78

In most years, take an overweight offensive guard as a true freshman, and you can slap a redshirt on him. Not for Michigan in 2016, though. Michigan’s coaching staff knew they were losing three seniors to graduation after the season (OG/OT Ben Braden, OG Kyle Kalis, and OT Erik Magnuson), and maybe they knew in their hearts that David Dawson wouldn’t be able to hack it in the program. That’s four offensive linemen gone from last year’s mediocre crew, not to mention that Patrick Kugler was a candidate to depart, too. Some seasoning was necessary. So they threw in Onwenu at offensive guard. And nose tackle. And on the field goal unit.

This year he will play a little less nose tackle and a lot more offensive guard. Onwenu is slated to take over Kyle Kalis’s right guard spot. Reviews have been mixed, however. Onwenu has always moved well for a big man (he was up around 370 lbs. for a while), but the caveat “for a big man” is necessary. He can get going in a straight line, but his lateral quickness can be an issue. That becomes apparent at times in pass protection and when trying to reach the second level. On the flip side, if he gets his hand on a defender, that defender turns into that poor little opossum you see on your way to work in the morning. Rumor has it that the coaching staff gave Onwenu some tough love and put him on a weight loss plan, and now Onwenu is down in the 350 lb. range. Hopefully that’s light enough to where he can last a whole game without getting too exhausted to play effectively.

Prediction: Starting right guard

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  1. Comments: 568
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    je93
    Aug 16, 2017 at 12:38 PM

    Hopefully he makes it through the year. I always thought he’d be better fit as depth for a couple years at DT, and then break out as an upper classman

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    Lanknows
    Aug 16, 2017 at 1:01 PM

    Nailed it. It’s hard to rank an unproven player supposedly still battling for a starting spot much higher than this but the range of outcomes for Onwenu will have a tremendous impact on the season. If he’s a road-grader the run-game can find some traction behind it would mean so much. If he’s whiffing his assignment as blitzing MLBs fly by him it would also mean so much.

    I’m hoping some of the competition at RG is manufactured competition to motivate Onwenu, but I’d rather be hearing about him taking charge the way Gary, Hudson, and Mettelus have.

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    michymich
    Aug 16, 2017 at 1:50 PM

    Maybe Onwenu moves back to the DL if he doesn’t work out at guard. I see a guy who was willing to lose some weight. Here is what I am looking for but was brought up in the OP. Can Onwenu find his blocker when the defender is not quite in front of him. If Onwenu is another Kalis then move him back to the DL. We will see but I do believe it’s hard to be as bad of a pulling guard as Kalis. Kalis was pretty solid when not having to move too much or going up against a quick defender. I think Onwenu will do better but I don’t know how much better. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

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      Lanknows
      Aug 16, 2017 at 1:58 PM

      This is almost certainly not going to happen IMO unless Onwenu just flames out totally at OL. The OL has much bigger need going forward than DL – which appears to be loaded for the foreseeable future given how well recruiting has gone and continues to go. Yes, NT is maybe a bigger question than other spots once Mone departs but it still pales to the uncertainty on the OL.

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      Roanman
      Aug 16, 2017 at 2:24 PM

      I think Kyle Kalis was special and not in a good way. I really can’t come up with a name on anybody i’ve ever actively watched play football who was more likely to drive by the next guy that needed blocking or stop and double the guy who was already handled. I’ve seen tunnel vision in quarterbacks, running backs (of which our last guy was remarkable for having it in bulk) and way, double especially in point guards, but never before in an offensive lineman.

      I think Onwenu’s problem, if indeed he has one is/will be getting out of his stance and moving in the second half. Your nose tackle you can rest and protect even when he’s on the field. Your right offensive guard … not so much.

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    je93
    Aug 16, 2017 at 1:50 PM

    I would have been good with Cole/Bredesen/Kugler/
    Runyan/JBB

    Good mix of experience, and would show OL guys are developing under Harbaugh… Need Onwenu to prove me wrong

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      Lanknows
      Aug 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM

      Runyan was well behind Onwenu last year. He could have made a leap but if his leap was bigger than Onwenu’s that’s probably more about Onwenu-problems than anything else.

      I see Runyan as the #6 OL this year in an ideal world. His versatility would be especially helpful in that role.

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    Roanman
    Aug 16, 2017 at 1:51 PM

    Nose Tackle/Middle Guard/One Technique, take your pick.

    Possibly a great one.

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    WindyCityBlue
    Aug 16, 2017 at 2:35 PM

    Harbaugh raved about this guy last year, on both sides of the ball. It’s going to be big disappointment if he isn’t at least a solid starter this year. When are the Oline coaches going to start doing their job?

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      je93
      Aug 16, 2017 at 2:59 PM

      “At least solid?”
      For a TrSo, first time starter, I’d settle for competent

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        Lanknows
        Aug 16, 2017 at 3:03 PM

        I hope you are concerned that you’re starting to agree with me on some things. I know I am.

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          je93
          Aug 16, 2017 at 4:19 PM

          What? I agree with you a lot… It’s just the times that you’re wrong that I disagree 🙂

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      Lanknows
      Aug 16, 2017 at 3:02 PM

      Frey’s been doing his, very well for about a decade. Drevno – I”m asking the same question. Hopefully this year he shuts the doubters up. He has the raw material but not much room for error.

      ‘Solid’ is probably a best case scenario for Onwenu given where he was at last year. Realistically just being competent would be a huge step forward for our young OL starters…and Kugler too.

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      michymich
      Aug 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM

      Coaches make a difference but sometimes the player isn’t that good. Can you make Navarre into Brady? You can’t even if you are Harbaugh. I think coaches can instruct a kid about fundamentals and assignments but I don’t think you can really help a kid on his lack of talent. What I am trying is there is only so much a coach can do otherwise someone like Kalis would have been a phenomenal guard because of his size and strength. Both Kalis and Braden just weren’t made to be guards. I do think Onwenu is potentially a quality good based on his strength and explosiveness but to be a great guard you also need to be able to find your blocks and especially have balance and vision.

      • Comments: 3181
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        Lanknows
        Aug 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM

        Wasn’t Navarre better than Brady in college? Brady was more efficient but not by much if you compare senior years. Navarre was a record-setter and threw for nearly twice as many yards and had 70 TDs to Brady’s 30.

        I think the fact that you can have a meh QB like Navarre outperform the NFL GOAT kind of speaks to how important coaching (and context in general) is.

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          Roanman
          Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM

          Not a great comparison.

          Navarre got sophomore year numbers and ran pretty much unopposed his entire career because Henson bullied/conned Lloyd into not recruiting Qb’s to compete against him.

          Brady had Henson to contend with for snaps. Henson was deemed to be the surest of things, having pulled a feature SI piece before he ever took a snap at Michigan. Carr had beau coup pressure to put him in. Despite all of that, Brady kept beating him back. But not before Henson soaked up a mess of snaps.

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            Lanknows
            Aug 16, 2017 at 6:49 PM

            Henson is a UM legend for obvious reasons but Navarre had a (slightly) more productive NFL career in addition to a far more productive UM career. We can argue hypotheticals about Henson all day if he hadn’t played baseball – he did. Navarre was the better QB here in real life.

            Navarre’s name is in the UM recordbooks for a reason – including still holding the record for passing yards in a season (3,331 in 2003). Brady didn’t hit his single game highes of 389 yards either – though brady does hold the single game completions record (34, 1 more than Navarre).

            The point is in college they were about the same even if you normalize for Brady’s higher level of competition. If you went of college performance alone, it would be Navarre as likely to be GOAT as Brady.

            Maybe that’s just fate but I think coaching has something to do with it. Obviously ‘talent’ wasn’t the difference-maker there.

            You can compare Navarre and Brady not just on a production basis but on an efficiency basis. Toss out the sophomores years and just look at per snap production as seniors. Navarre was very close in measures like QBR and YPA.

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              Roanman
              Aug 16, 2017 at 7:36 PM

              “Navarre’s name is in the UM recordbooks for a reason”

              Yes, three years as a starter even though he was nowhere near ready as a soph because there was nobody recruited in front of him to compete for the job.

              I liked Navarre and agreed with Lloyd that he got a bad rap, particularly over the Iowa game, but …. not Brady … even at the college level.

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                Lanknows
                Aug 16, 2017 at 9:39 PM

                Objectively, the numbers say otherwise.

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                  michymich
                  Aug 17, 2017 at 3:20 AM

                  Here is a link. Obviously subjective and I definitely don’t believe Robinson should be above Harbaugh. Ridiculous. At least with this site they have Brady in top 5. Would I put Brady in the top 5? Maybe but I would have Navarre closer to #10 and Brady closer to #5.

                  https://gbmwolverine.com/2015/02/02/5-greatest-quarterbacks-michigan-football-history/

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                  Lanknows
                  Aug 17, 2017 at 12:20 PM

                  Brady doesn’t make the list based on college accomplishments – he makes it based on NFL accomplishments. Robinson does.

                  Obviously, Brady was an excellent player. If you were around for the great Henson-Brady debate it was a big deal. I was always on the Brady side and you can see my philosophy still coming through when I make the case for solid vets like Vincent Smith, Deveon Smith, Nick Perry, and Brandon Watson. Not saying those guys are Brady (they are not) but it’s about taking the proven player over the unproven player as a general rule.

                  Anyway point is – what happened happened. Brady is the best QB to ever play at Michigan. He didn’t have the best career or anywhere close, frankly.

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          michymich
          Aug 16, 2017 at 7:00 PM

          Navarre wasn’t better than Brady in college. Trust me and many others.

          • gobluetwo
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            gobluetwo
            Aug 16, 2017 at 8:37 PM

            What you wrote suggests that Navarre lacked talent and that no amount of coaching could could change a player who isn’t that good. Your words:

            “Coaches make a difference but sometimes the player isn’t that good. Can you make Navarre into Brady? You can’t even if you are Harbaugh. I think coaches can instruct a kid about fundamentals and assignments but I don’t think you can really help a kid on his lack of talent.”

            Was Navarre as talented as Brady? Of course not. But the counterpoint to that is that coaching (and his situation, and his drive/determination/will, players around him, etc.) did make up for the relative talent deficit to the point that he is one of the most productive QBs in Michigan football history.

            To that end, I’d be ecstatic of Onwenu, he of the implied talent deficit, ended his career as the Navarre of the OL. Or maybe you meant Stephen Threet, not John Navarre.

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              michymich
              Aug 17, 2017 at 3:04 AM

              Navarre wasn’t that good. Wasn’t that the year OSU was in the tank? PSU under Paterno? MSU with whomever? Navarre was better his senior year and had gotten better but it’s funny anyone and I mean anyone can believe that Navarre was as good as Brady in college. He wasn’t. Brady at MSU. Brady at PSU. Brady in the OB. Brady overcoming the Carr love affair with Henson.

              Let me put it this way. Do you think a guy just out of college and becomes a high level qb within 5 years is equal to a guy who comes out of college and has a cup of coffee in the NFL?

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                Roanman
                Aug 17, 2017 at 7:56 AM

                Navarre was an outstanding college QB and an integral part of one of the great Michigan offenses in our history. He QBed two 10 win seasons, had some signature games including a huge comeback win over Minnesota/maybe Iowa coming from 21/24 points down to win, mostly by going downfield again and again.

                He also enjoyed the benefit of Lloyd Carr at the absolute top of his game, wearing his shiny new National Championship ring out there on the recruiting trail, bringing in the talent, which we had everywhere. He also very much enjoyed the happy circumstance that Carr had found religion when it came to throwing the football downfield and was selling that religion to QB recruits all over the country, thus the influx of absolutely top arms coming in behind him (Navarre).

                Oh yeah, how could i forget, he also had Braylon for going up and getting it.

                But ….. he wasn’t Brady.

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              michymich
              Aug 17, 2017 at 3:38 AM

              No implied talent deficit toward Onwenu for the record.

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            Lanknows
            Aug 16, 2017 at 9:40 PM

            Navarre had a better college career. This is pretty much indisputable under any reasonable objective basis. True even if you totally wipe away his soph year.

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        Lanknows
        Aug 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM

        I suspect there are places where Kalis and Braden could have been far more successful. Braden seemed to be getting somewhere at guard but had to move back to OT due to a lack of depth (and specifically the failures of JBB or anyone else at OT). I don’t think they lacked talent to be quality college players.

        I don’t Drevno can be absolved of their failure after 2 plus years. Maybe Funk messed them up too much but Glasgow and Magnuson managed to get better. And what about the younger guys he recruited – none of them were ready after a red-shirt year?

        Anyway, the excuses for Drevno are over. This will be year 3, these will be his guys or guys he has coached through 3 offseasons and not jettisoned (a la Dawson and others.) He has one of the best OT coaches in the country working for him now. No reason that between Bredeson-Kugler-Ruiz-Onwenu-Runyan we can’t find 3 quality starters on the interior. If not that’s on Drevno – period. no excuses.

        Bredeson and Onwenu are blue-chip recruits who showed they could play OK last year. If they’re not up to the job this year – or there isn’t a plan B option that can step in otherwise – that’s 100% on Drevno. Coaches don’t always get 100% optimal rosters with a 4th year player backing up a 5th year player at every position. You make it work. Drevno has more talent than 90% of college football teams at least but the OL is mediocre (solid at pass pro, deplorable at run blocking).

        I’ll sing Drevno’s praises all day if he gets it done this year — and wish him well as his likely endeavors as a head coach somewhere else. But if the OL continues to be Illinois-level in run-blocking while taking a step back in pass pro, I’m going to be talking about a very different sort of ‘countdown’.

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          je93
          Aug 16, 2017 at 5:23 PM

          It was year 2, and yeah: 1 of 3 were ready & starting (Newsome), despite only having a few weeks before national signing day
          “And what about the younger guys he recruited – none of them were ready after a red-shirt year?”

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            Lanknows
            Aug 16, 2017 at 6:59 PM

            Newsome was SORT OF ready but he was the only one. Remember he was still battling with a true freshman (Bredeson) till opening day. That’s not great for a Sophomore who had already started a game the year before.

            Like I said – the excuses were there in years 1 and 2. Year 3 is on him. Said exact same for Funk even though everyone was busy blaming Rodriguez (and Frey) for not setting up Hoke to succeed beyond having a loaded NFL line for his first 2 years.

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              je93
              Aug 16, 2017 at 7:32 PM

              Sort of? He started until injury, didn’t he?
              How come on Brady-Navare you’re good with facts, but then switch to hypothetical when it doesn’t fit your narrative?

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                Lanknows
                Aug 16, 2017 at 9:57 PM

                I don’t think we’re disagreeing on any “facts”. Drevno needs to prove in 2017 that he can develop quality starters. He got significant improvement from Glasgow and Magnuson. Everyone else (Cole, Newsome, Bredeson) has pretty much come in ready to play and they did as freshman. We may see more of the same from Ruiz this year. If so, it’s not a great sign about Drevno’s ability to develop.

                What I want to see is some more vets make big strides (Kugler, Bushell-Beatty, Cole) or some of the young guys developing into quality players (Runyan, Ulizio, Speanellis).

                What I don’t want to see is throwing every half-decent freshman out on the field and then watching them barely improve at all. That is what happened under Funk (with very few exceptions). Though with Funk some guys actually got worse — at least we haven’t seen that.

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              Lanknows
              Aug 16, 2017 at 9:42 PM

              Because starting doesn’t mean you are good. Ray Vinopal started. Steven Threet started. Etc.

              There’s not enough competition on the OL for that to mean very much unfortunately.

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                je93
                Aug 16, 2017 at 10:14 PM

                Are you comparing Grant Newsome to Vinopal & Threet?

                You began with “being ready,” so I mentioned Newsome starting (1 of 3 OL starting after a year is not a bad thing), now you’re just being difficult*

                *In this same thread, you’re using Newsome as an example, similar to mine

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                Lanknows
                Aug 17, 2017 at 12:54 AM

                Splitting hairs. Newsome technically started as a freshman. He was ‘ready’ coming out of HS. It’d be nice to see improvement from the people not just getting thrown out there as freshman (i.e., the red-shirts).

                It’s hard to argue anyone is real good when the entire OL is playing poorly and there is little to no quality depth. We’re leaning on anecdotal/subjective judgements or stuff like PFF or Mgoblog that try to be more systematic about player evals. We can say this Kalis and Braden were bad — the guys battling behind them were worse.

                Yes Newsome played – that doesn’t mean he was ‘ready’ to be a quality big ten starter. It means he was needed. Looked like he might have been alright, so I’m fine with your argument (1 of 3 in the ’15 class).

                This year batting .333 won’t be enough. Drevno will have to do much better than he has done so far at Michigan.

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          WindyCityBlue
          Aug 16, 2017 at 6:36 PM

          Sure, nobody’s player development is perfect, but if you’re going to win championships, you’ve got to have at least some guys who are killing it by their second year on the field, and that includes offensive linemen. We’re headed into year 3 of Drevno, and there is still no one on the Oline to get even remotely excited about…still just a lot of finger-crossing. Harbaugh’s seat may not be warm, but Drevno’s is, and should be.

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            Lanknows
            Aug 16, 2017 at 6:55 PM

            Harbaugh’s seat is amongst the coolest in the country. The last two seasons have most of the fanbase ecstatic and all the arrows are pointing in the right direction.

            But Drevno — yes I guess, but really it’s only a fringe (us) who are complaining right now. If this year continues to be a problem I suspect Harbaugh will join us and Drevno will be elsewhere.

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              WindyCityBlue
              Aug 16, 2017 at 8:42 PM

              For the moment his seat is cool. But another three loss season and loss to OSU with not even a division title will put him at the end of his slack.

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                je93
                Aug 16, 2017 at 8:51 PM

                Seriously?
                I’ll bet $1 that if we go 9-3, lose to ohio, and fall short in the East, Harbaugh will still be seen as the program’s savior
                Only websites hoping for attention, and certain “fans” will feel otherwise

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                  WindyCityBlue
                  Aug 16, 2017 at 11:26 PM

                  Sure he will…everyone will whine like babies about the officials in every game we lost, and predict a national championship run in 2018. But if he falls short again, then people will rightly start to wonder if he can ever get the job done here. No Michigan coach in history has ever started 0-4 against OSU, so if Harbaugh does, the apologetics will start to wear thin.

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                  Lanknows
                  Aug 17, 2017 at 12:55 AM

                  Every team is winning a national title in 2 years including us.

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            je93
            Aug 16, 2017 at 7:35 PM

            The only place Drevno will go is a Head Coach position… And even then it’ll take a ton of money, considering what he makes in A2

            “Harbaugh’s seat may not be warm, but Drevno’s is, and should be”

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          Lanknows
          Aug 16, 2017 at 6:53 PM

          Bredeson and Onwenu are both worth getting excited about IMO. And if you’re not excited about Ruiz, I don’t know who you’re going to get excited about ever.

          If you have an ounce of optimism in your body you can imagine those 3 forming an excellent interior in 2018 and 2019. Options at tackle are more speculative of course but Frey + a lot of young options should work out.

          Of course we’ve said the same for Funk + Drevno, almost every year, but Frey’s done it again and again.

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            WindyCityBlue
            Aug 16, 2017 at 8:50 PM

            Just like Kalis, Braden and Kugler were worth getting excited about? Sorry, but I’ll wait to see it on the field, against real competition, before I get excited. If Bredeson and Onwenu start, it will be because no one else is worth a darn, not because they’re the best of a great crop. And Ruiz has yet to play a down.

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              Lanknows
              Aug 16, 2017 at 9:52 PM

              So you want to see proven performers prior after 2 years but you don’t want to count people who graduated. You’re also not counting 4th year players like Cole.

              So it’s either 2nd year or 3rd yeYar players that fit you’re criteria. That’s a very narrow band you’re allowing for excitement — which should be no surprise. But OK I’ll play along…

              Bredeson was got all conference mention as a true freshman and is a proven player entering his true sophomore year.

              Freshman aren’t supposed to be proven players, they’re supposed to redshirt. Newsome looked solid and worth getting “excited” about but he’s hurt so he doesn’t count for you either.

              So, as far as I can tell, you’re pretty much just mad/unexcited because Ulizio and Runyan weren’t quality starters as red-shirt freshman. Runyan might be a RS Soph.

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                WindyCityBlue
                Aug 16, 2017 at 11:33 PM

                “Solid” is nothing to get excited about. We’ve had a boatload of “solid” and “decent” players for years. Bredeson doesn’t have anyone raving about his play…he’s just a guy, who has no real competition this year and will probably start by default. Cole is serviceable (again), but nothing to celebrate about. Or at least he wouldn’t be on a team that had actual offensive tackles.

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                Lanknows
                Aug 17, 2017 at 1:02 AM

                I have to be honest that I would be ecstatic about a ‘solid’ OL across the board without any problem spots. Considering we came within a few scores of making the playoff with a terrible run-blocking OL last year the upgrade to solid would be a game-changer.

                In Bredeson’s case – not having competition doesn’t preclude you from being a good player. He was handed the LG job last year after almost winning the LT job. He did very very well for a freshman and second year is when you would expect to see a leap (for most OL that are well coached).

                Cole rated out very high in PFF and had all conference honors. He is currently projected to be a second round pick.

                As I’ve said before you can make a bunch of negative comments about the OL that are legitimate but when you delve so deep into hyperbole all it does is discredit the argument you’re making in the first place.

                It’s like calling every right winger a nazi or every left winger a commie. All you’re doing is making people take a step back from your (potentially valid) point.

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                  windycitybitch
                  Aug 17, 2017 at 6:42 PM

                  I have the mind of a child, so I make dummy accounts with lame insults.

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                  Lanknows
                  Aug 17, 2017 at 7:41 PM

                  Lame

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                  WindyCityBlue
                  Aug 18, 2017 at 7:00 AM

                  Except that we’re not looking for a level of play that will have us going 8-4 rather than 4-8. Hopefully we’re beyond that. We need the kind of improvement and the level of play that will have us at 11-1 rather than 9-3. “Solid” and “decent” won’t get us there. As noted before, there are no moral victories and no “close” at that level. There is only winning and losing.

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