MLive: Jim Harbaugh “most overrated coach?”

MLive: Jim Harbaugh “most overrated coach?”


August 9, 2017

Is Jim Harbaugh the most overrated coach (LINK)? I think there’s an argument to be made. No doubt he’s a good coach, but to be overrated, you have to be held in high esteem by many. Or perhaps known as “rated.” The guys mentioned in the same breath as Harbaugh are Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and . . . that’s about it. Those other guys have both won multiple national championships, and at multiple stops.

Overrated, underrated, it doesn’t matter as long as he wins. Go Blue.

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11 comments

  1. DonAZ
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    DonAZ
    Aug 10, 2017 at 5:45 AM

    By the standard of championships won, Harbaugh clearly and obviously does not rate as highly as Saban or Meyer. The number of active college coaches with one NC is relatively small; the number with two or more is limited to Saban and Meyer.

    Imagine a coaching opening at a school such as Texas, or USC, or Georgia … and imagine the current coaches not named Saban or Meyer. Who would be the most sought-after coach if everyone was assumed available?

    Harbaugh would outrank pretty much them all. Certainly there’d be more demand for Harbaugh than, say, Kelly from Notre Dame, or Franklin from PSU. Dabo Swinney might be in the same conversation as Harbaugh.

    Point being: when the measure is a coach with the realistic potential to take a program to a higher level, Harbaugh is very highly rated. With justification.

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      Lanknows
      Aug 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM

      Re: Dabo — hard to know how he would sell in some parts of the country. Harbaugh can walk into a living room anywhere and talk a kid into coming. I don’t see the same with Dabo. The Rodriguez situation comes to mind.

      Though also obviously an excellent coach, I suspect his success has limited geography. Maybe that’s wrong.

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    INTJohn
    Aug 10, 2017 at 6:47 AM

    This ‘survey’ / ‘poll’ doesn’t even come close to anything that could be construed as a viable representation of of a reliable statistical analysis.

    2 or 3 coaches out of 130ish?? that amounts to about 1.5%……….
    ………and I wouldn’t be surprised if 1 of those was Harbaugh calling himself overrated just to motivate himself even more!

    Since college ‘coaching’ is directly correlated to Recruitment and then to develope the available talent, the question asked should be centered around asking a Q relative to Recruitment and Coaching.

    jez sayin…………….INTJohn

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    WindyCityBlue
    Aug 10, 2017 at 6:52 AM

    This begs the question “overrated by who?” Outside of the cultish fanboys over at MGoBlog, I don’t see anyone putting Harbaugh in the same category as Saban and Meyer. The coaches they asked in this survey seem more to be responding to the question “which coach gets the most undeserved media attention?”

    • DonAZ
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      DonAZ
      Aug 10, 2017 at 7:56 AM

      “I don’t see anyone putting Harbaugh in the same category as Saban and Meyer.”

      Agree. Anyone who does is fooling themselves. Those two stand apart.

      I tend to the agree with the “underappreciated” tag on Petersen at Washington. He seems like an quiet, understated guy who gets things done. When it comes to achieving the most with the least, Bill Snyder wins, hands down.

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        WindyCityBlue
        Aug 10, 2017 at 8:26 AM

        Agree about Petersen. He took Washington to the playoff in his third year, with mostly 3 star talent, and had a true sophomore QB playing at an All-American level. His recruiting is ramping up, and I think he will have Washington perennially in the top 10 for a long time. If Harbaugh left tomorrow, he’s the guy I’d want us to grab.

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          Lanknows
          Aug 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM

          Peterson’s an excellent football coach. I’d be a little weary of some of the dubious characters he used at Boise State and some of the questionable practices that go on there but his transition to a power program has gone about as well as it possibly could thusfar. Washington is a great fit for him though.

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      Lanknows
      Aug 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM

      Disagree. You ask an average fan in, let’s say Colorado to name the 5 best coaches in college football there’s a very good chance Harbaugh is on the majority of those lists.

      Granted, Saban and Meyer are probably on close to all of them.

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    Lanknows
    Aug 10, 2017 at 10:29 AM

    Harbaugh trails Saban and Meyer in high profile accomplishments – national titles, wins, etc. Nobody is disputing that point. He has not reached their heights at the college level.

    I think if you asked a fan to play armchair athletic director at a “neutral field” program like UCLA, Oklahoma, or Miami and told them to hire a coach to bring a national championship within 5 years the vast majority will pick Saban or Meyer. They’ve earned that respect because they’ve done it. Said fans would be picking the most qualified candidate.

    And the wrong one – if you ask me. The right answer is Jim Harbaugh and by that measure, Harbaugh is UNDERRATED.

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      Lanknows
      Aug 10, 2017 at 10:56 AM

      Harbaugh is the riskier pick. He hasn’t done yet and they have. But that doesn’t mean he’s the wrong pick.

      I wouldn’t pick Saban for 2 reasons. 1. He has shied away from challenges in the past. He left MSU because he couldn’t beat Michigan on the recruiting trail. He quit the NFL to come running back to cushy comfort at Alabama. At the programs I mentioned he’s probably not going to get the same talent advantage he has now* and he probably won’t win as much. 2. He is 65. I’m not sure there’s another program turnaround left in him.

      The case against Meyer is tougher but there is the same of the same concerns. He ran away from Florida when things got tough. He changed jobs to go where the talent’s at. That’s a smart move for the bank account but being opportunistic in your job selection doesn’t make you a better coach.

      We do know that Meyer can win without elite talent BUT – he did that at the same time Rich Rodriguez was doing it. Times have changed. Meyer doesn’t have a scheme advantage anymore which is why you see him chasing hot shot OCs.

      Moreover you have some serious questions about the character of the kids Meyer is recruiting. It doesn’t matter to the many fans who treat NCAA football like it’s another pro league — it does matter to a lot of fans with ties to the school (e.g., alumni).

      Now to Harbaugh — there’s a reason he isn’t as accomplished of a coach as those other guys – he’s made different choices. Harbaugh was still playing in the NFL while Saban and Meyer were drawing up plays on a chalkboard and reviewing high school tape. Harbaugh didn’t try to take the fastest path he could get to a prestige program – he took on the biggest challenges he could find. The turnarounds he produced at SD and Stanford are nearly unrivaled. His turnaround in the NFL wasn’t far off.

      Harbaugh is better prepared to win without a significant talent advantage and he’s already closing the gap on that front too. We’ll find out here very soon if Harbaugh can get a powerhouse program running on top gear year in and year out.

      The evidence so far says he’s very close. Despite not having “his guys” in yet the team finished #3 in S&P and #4 in FEI last year. They came an inch from beating Meyer IN COLUMBUS. Already! A couple narrow loses don’t change the way the arrow is pointing in Ann Arbor. From a 5-win team to a top 5 team in 2 years.

      All these coaches are successful everywhere they go. Any would be a great choice. Harbaugh is going to be better than Saban and Meyer in the next 5 years. If you’re worried about success at a high level — only one of these coaches got to a Super Bowl and that guys now in the perfect position for himself.

      Call me a fanboy if you want. There’s no coach I’d rather have at Michigan. I’d say the same thing at Texas, USC, Washington, Tennessee or Florida.

      The Jason Whitlocks of the world will point out the obvious – he hasn’t done what you’re asking him to do yet and fire off the hot takes. Yes, he hasn’t. That doesn’t mean he won’t. And that others have doesn’t mean they will do it again. Harbaugh’s done enough to put himself in the conversation. The rest is speculation.

      *At least not for a few years.

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        INTJohn
        Aug 10, 2017 at 10:19 PM

        This is kikass good shit!
        Harbaugh is not simply recruiting TALENT to Michigan; he is recruiting a certain psychology as well. I haven’t quite put my total description to it yet but I’m close.

        Jimmy is recruiting a specific type of player that he understands is a football winner; not simply ‘talented’ but jimmy has a powerfull intuitve ‘in the know’ that tells him wether or not a specific TALENTED player has the certain ‘IT’ factor that will be NFL successful. Young guys will eat this up!

        Forget the stars and the ratings by the ‘powers’ that be; jimmy knows what he’s looking for and its more than simply ‘talent and ability; its something MORE!; its a love for the game; its a sacrifice to achieve; its an intuitive football MORALITY that I’ve never seen anyone recognize other than maybe Belichik; Landry, Lombardi etc……..

        I’m still from the school that is waiting to see IF jimmy can BUILD a team; we all know he can coach one; but I can see the pattern to which he is heading; in building one and it is exciting to me; Football speaking psychologically speaking I’m all about it!! waiting to see it come to fruition.

        As I see it………….INTJohn

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