MLive: Lavert Hill lone bright spot among Michigan’s slow-developing cornerbacks

MLive: Lavert Hill lone bright spot among Michigan’s slow-developing cornerbacks


August 21, 2017

Ouch. Mike Zordich doesn’t have a whole lot of positive things to say about Michigan’s cornerback situation (LINK). This has long appeared to be a weak spot of the 2017 team, and that fear doesn’t seem to be dissipating.

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  1. Comments: 502
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    michymich
    Aug 22, 2017 at 1:05 AM

    I don’t buy the Grinch act.

    First and foremost these guys are going up against some high level talent. Probably an understatement. Second, it’s nice to hear some honest motivational tactics. I am sure these guys will improve but good to crack the whip so to speak to push to be even better. How would you like to go up against Crawford, DPJ, Black, Martin and Collins who have speed and size. Something tells many me teams are going to struggle. Even the other day Thunder was knocking the upside athleticism of Crawford to the new guys which should tell you all you need to know about the influx of talent. I’ll have you a bet that Jordan Lewis would be challenged by Black, DPJ and Crawford.

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      Aug 22, 2017 at 7:28 AM

      I buy it to an extent, because he isn’t always like this. I do think he’s a little more dour than the other coaches, but he’s praising Hill. If the other guys were on Hill’s level, then why wouldn’t he praise them? He was also full of praise for last year’s cornerbacks, though I do remember him saying that Stribling needed to be more physical. So I don’t think it’s his M.O. to be overtly negative.

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    je93
    Aug 22, 2017 at 8:40 AM

    Why is it hard to believe that only one of our young guys has seized a spot, especially on the same day one of our two “vets” quit?
    Zordich may not be sunshine & rainbows, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t truth to the statement

    • Comments: 502
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      michymich
      Aug 22, 2017 at 10:42 AM

      I believe that the guys can do better. I just don’t believe the tone of the comments that the corners are Rutgers level. I’ll turn the example of Thunder around although he makes a great point. My point would be why would Washington leave if things are so unsettled or get moved?

      Also, last year there was Lewis and going up against Darboh and Chesson who I don’t think anyone things are more talented than Crawford, DPJ, Black and others. I choose to believe that these wr’s are quite the challenge. How about this question. How do you think Lewis would be doing against bigger more physical wr’s? How do you think Gary would be doing against Jake Long vs. Mason Cole? The corners will be fine.

  3. Lanknows
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    Lanknows
    Aug 22, 2017 at 11:02 AM

    Just because we don’t want to hear the news doesn’t mean it’s fake.

    Crawford and others could barely get off the bench last year behind Darboh and Chesson and Perry. I’m very excited about the ’16 and ’17 WR classes but they are very young and the argument that the WRs are just so dang good that our CBs can’t cover them isn’t very convincing.

    Just as plausible, if not more so, is that they AREN’T very good yet – and that’s why guys like Washington were getting hyped up in the Spring. As the WR corps has improved in camp (Perry’s return, Martin’s arrival, Black/DPJ having a little practice behind them, etc.) the CBs have gotten exposed.

    As always with Blue vs. Maize situations it’s up to the eye of the beholder. As Thunder points out – we don’t have any reason to think Zordich isn’t telling the truth here. Given the inexperience it’s also somewhat expected.

    • Comments: 502
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      michymich
      Aug 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM

      After reading the article again it sounds like the coach is frustrated that nobody has separated themselves or have been consistent enough. I stand by my initial comment that coach is overly Grinch like. I personally like a coach who demands greatness and these corners are not Woodson and Law but it doesn’t mean they are set up to fail. He is pushing which is what a good coach does. See Saban. See Belichick.

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    SinCityBlue
    Aug 22, 2017 at 1:16 PM

    Does this change our offensive game plan now ala the Dallas Cowboys? Run the ball even more than before to limit the exposure to our secondary?

    • Lanknows
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      Lanknows
      Aug 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM

      If we could consistently run the ball effectively that might make sense. Against weaker opponents it may. Not likely to be able to play ball-control against Florida, Wisconsin, PSU, or OSU.

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    WindyCityBlue
    Aug 23, 2017 at 6:36 AM

    This has been a dose of cold water for the fanboys who think we’re going to go 11-1/12-0 and just have awesome talent everywhere. Did people really think there was going to be no attrition during fall camp, or that we wouldn’t struggle at any of the positions where we have little or no proven talent? The reality that we may actually struggle at CB and not be nearly as good as last year is starting to set in. It doesn’t mean we’re going to be horrible there, or that we’re going to go 6-6, but we do not have anything close to championship-level talent or depth at that position.

    • Comments: 2222
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      Aug 23, 2017 at 7:31 AM

      I think this is a bit of an overreaction. I don’t think anybody thought about attrition during fall camp, because you never know where that is going to come from. Nobody was circulating rumors about Washington transferring. If it were Malzone, not many people would have been surprised. It’s not like this is a mass exodus.

      Your post comes across as, “Ha! I knew a guy with a chance to start would leave during fall camp, and the rest of you had no idea!”

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        WindyCityBlue
        Aug 23, 2017 at 9:38 AM

        Sensible people know that attrition is going to happen during fall camp and the early season. No, you don’t know at which exact positions it will occur, but it always does, whether due to injury, discipline, academics, or just quitting.

        There are some who seem to have overlooked that reality, though, especially since there have been no significant injuries to this point (at least not that have been made public). This is a reminder that whatever two deep you project is probably going to look different by the time the season starts, or shortly after, for bad reasons. Combined with the fact that development of younger players does not always go as quickly as it should. Just the way things go in football.

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Aug 23, 2017 at 1:10 PM

          What you’re saying is mostly true but the idea that it changes the (always slim but extant) possibility of going undefeated is laughable.

          Washington was entirely unproven player who was immediately passed by a younger guy (Hill). Yes – some people got overly excited about spring practice. That doesn’t change who Washington is or isn’t. The 5th CB on weak group being gone isn’t going to affect the season outcome. If you believe that Washington’s departure is a big deal you are just as guilty of buying into hype as the people you criticize.

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            WindyCityBlue
            Aug 23, 2017 at 3:02 PM

            Is Wshington’s leaving a “big deal”? No more of a big deal at this point than any of a lot of other guys dropping out of the picture would be, and no, I’m not overly worried about it, especially since I haven’t bought into the fantasy that we’re going to go 12-0.

            Nevertheless, ask yourself how many plays were we from going 12-0 last year? In how many places in the OSU and Iowa games could one play made instead of missed by even a slightly better player than we had in there have made the difference? One even slightly better tackle by one player on Florida State’s last kick return, and we win that game, too. The guy who moves into Washington’s slot only has to be one step slower or a few inches short on one play compared to what Washington would have been to make a big difference in our season. You can be sure that very small things will make a difference in at least one game this year, too, and you never know what things could hinge on.

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    Roanman
    Aug 23, 2017 at 7:16 AM

    I do buy into the theory that our really good receivers are making our cornerbacks look bad. We are big and fast across the board at receiver. Really, we’re huge and fast at receiver. If our QBs are consistently, accurately placing balls away from defensive backs … my second fondest hope for this season … practice has to be just a miserable experience for our entire defensive backfield. particularly in an environment in which QBs know they aren’t gonna get hit much.

    it’s that last thing that’s going to be key for this team, we are going to have to get to the QB ….. or else.

    • Comments: 2222
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      Aug 23, 2017 at 7:27 AM

      The problem is that a lot of those “really good receivers” are freshmen and sophomores, who are the same age or younger than the cornerbacks. So if David Long doesn’t look great because Tarik Black is taking him to school, then what does that mean when we face another team with good and/or older receivers? Without looking, we’re only bringing back about 20 receptions from our wideouts from last year (I think Perry had 13, and then McDoom/Crawford/Ways combined for a few more).

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        Roanman
        Aug 23, 2017 at 8:38 AM

        I get that. And they’re gonna definitely see good, older receivers. They are also going to see speed at receiver, I’m assuming without checking that Florida will have that in bulk if only because … Florida. But, I don’t think anyone has the size at receiver that we have. Football and receiving the football are two areas where size matters.

        Having seen not one rep, i’m choosing to think that our good, young receivers are pinning our good, young corners on their hip and our QBs are accurately throwing away and taking advantage of the huge catching radius that almost all of our receivers have.

        There is no evidence to the contrary beyond Zordich saying words. We haven’t clue one what’s behind those words. Real concern? Message sending? Motivating? … Without seeing the reps, who the hell knows?

        I also believe that hitting QBs solves a lot of coverage issues.

      • Lanknows
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        Lanknows
        Aug 23, 2017 at 12:37 PM

        There’s no evidence to support that our WR are really really good.

        What we do know is that none of the CBs other than Watson and Hill saw the field last year. None of the others have any experience whatsoever.

        We also know Brown has struggled at times with inexperienced CBs.

        We also know that Michigan is trying to move some WRs to CB.

        By no means is that definitive for 2017 but the rationale on the worry side is stronger than the rationale on the don’t side.

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        If you are confident in our CBs it comes down to faith in our coaches and the hope that the recruiting ranks are accurate.

  7. Comments: 502
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    michymich
    Aug 25, 2017 at 10:07 PM

    The anti-Grinch appears.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVH87U5g7VM

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