Mailbag: What position will Shallman play?

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28Sep 2012
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Mailbag: What position will Shallman play?

So, I know that coaches have told Shallman he is going to get a shot at FB or RB in college, but he is getting to be a very big boy for that.  He is already two or more inches bigger than former NFL back Mike Alstott and already 20 pounds heavier than former NFLer John Riggins.  Most FBs are 5’10”-6’1″; much over that is not good for FBs, right? His frame is going to add a lot in S&C.  What are your odds he becomes Ryan Van Bergen II? Would people feel better about this recruiting class if we looked at Wyatt as a DL and not as a FB? I kinda think he would be wasted as a situational offensive player.

Well, I sort of answered this question in my scouting report of Wyatt Shallman from this past winter, but I didn’t talk about this aspect in great depth.

First of all, I wouldn’t really worry about how Shallman compares to John Riggins.  Riggins played from 1971 to 1985, so he was retired for a decade before Shallman was even born.  Players are bigger and faster than they were then.  There are guys like Michael Turner (5’10”, 247 lbs.), Steven Jackson (6’2″, 240 lbs.), and Brandon Jacobs (6’4″, 264 lbs.) running amok in the NFL these days, and each of those guys is heavier and/or taller than Riggins.

I am not the world’s biggest fan Shallman’s abilities.  He doesn’t have the suddenness of an elite running back, he doesn’t have great speed, and he doesn’t break enough tackles to satisfy me.  What he does offer is a differing set of skills from any other running back on the roster or in the 2013 recruiting class.  With the offensive line Michigan is building, the Wolverines should be plowing over people in a couple years the way Wisconsin has been for the past several seasons.  Shallman is a poor man’s Ron Dayne, P.J. Hill, Montee Ball, etc.  This past Saturday night, I watched Oregon tight end Colt Lyerla (6’5″, 246 lbs.) line up in the backfield and carry the ball 7 times for 63 yards against Arizona.  Players of lots of different shapes and sizes can run the ball in college.

As for Shallman’s size, there have been suggestions that he’s not quite 6’3″ or 6’4″ and that he’s not 255 lbs.  He doesn’t look 255 to me; I might buy 235.  Recruiting weights are often overreported, whether it’s innocent exaggeration or someone trying to beef up his own measurements to garner more attention.  Several guys in Michigan’s 2012 recruiting class showed up to campus weighing less than was reported on Rivals or Scout.

The coaching staff seems to have been pretty honest with recruits about their future positions.  They would rather have guys playing positions they want to play than to have to shoehorn guys into positions they dislike. Guys will play harder for you that way.  The coaches have promised Shallman a shot at running back, and I think that’s where he’ll stay.  There’s always a chance that somebody will change positions, but it doesn’t seem to be Brady Hoke’s M.O. to bring guys in and then turn their world upside down.  Guys like Jordan Paskorz and Ricardo Miller have changed positions, but Hoke didn’t recruit them.  Gardner is making a temporary (or permanent) switch to wide receiver, but again, Hoke never recruited him.

Van Bergen was an athletic guy coming out of high school, but he was clearly headed for the defensive line and never had any delusions otherwise.  He had the frame to add significant weight, and he ended up at almost 290 lbs.  Even if Shallman adds mass, he will likely still be 6’3″.  That’s relatively short for a strongside end and he could struggle to get his hands on offensive linemen before they get into him.  Meanwhile, unless he makes a concerted effort to beef up, he looks like a guy who could play his college career at 250-ish pounds.

On top of all that, I was not impressed with Shallman’s high school highlights.  Word is that he was suffering from some nagging injuries last season, but I don’t see a high level of effort and determination on the defensive side of the ball.  Some guys are equally adept at playing football on both sides; other guys have “it” on one side or the other.  Shallman’s “it” factor seems higher on offense than defense; he’s a fine high school defender, but comparing their high school film, I would take Ryan Van Bergen on defense over Wyatt Shallman.

What are the chances Shallman plays defensive end in his college career?  Eh, I’ll go with 15%, just because injuries and attrition and random things happen.  But what are the chances Shallman becomes the next Ryan Van Bergen (a borderline NFL draft pick at defensive end)?  I’d say that’s closer to 5%.

15Sep 2012
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Visitors: Michigan vs. UMass

Malik McDowell

Pickerington (OH) North TE Jake Butt: Butt committed to Michigan back in February.

Avon (OH) Avon CB Ross Douglas: Douglas committed to Michigan in July.

Columbus (OH) Marion-Franklin WR Jaron Dukes: Dukes committed to Michigan back in February.

Detroit (MI) East English Village TE Khalid Hill: Hill committed to Michigan back in February.

Detroit (MI) Cass Tech RB/LB Gary Hosey: Hosey is a 6’0″, 215 lb. athlete from the 2014 class.  He might be physical enough to play fullback, but he does not have the speed to be an FBS tailback.

Westland (MI) John Glenn WR Da’Mario Jones: Jones is a 6’2″, 185 lb. wideout who committed to Central Michigan over offers from BGSU and Toledo.  He transferred to John Glenn from Montgomery (NJ) Montgomery.  With LaQuon Treadwell delaying his decision longer and longer – and Michigan appearing to fall back to the pack with him – Michigan might need to offer more receivers in the near future, so Jones might be a guy watch. (Highlights.)

Maitland (FL) Orangewood Christian FB/LB Jimmy Martin: Martin is a 5’11”, 205 lb. prospect from the class of 2015.  He claims a 4.62 forty (but was timed at 4.84 at a national combine) and had 111 tackles, 4 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, and 3 fumble recoveries as a freshman in 2011.  Keep in mind that Orangewood is a small Christian school that doesn’t play the best competition.  However, he was named to the Maxpreps Freshman All-American Second Team.  His head coach was previously the head coach at Orlando (FL) Dr. Phillips and Orlando (FL) Edgewater, the latter of which sent wide receiver Greg Mathews and linebacker Mike Jones to Michigan. (Freshman highlights.)

Detroit (MI) Loyola DE Malik McDowell: McDowell is a 2014 prospect with offers from Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Stanford, and Wisconsin, among others.  He has been considered to be a heavy Michigan lean, but he’s also interested in Michigan State and Ohio State.  He is expected to visit MSU for their game against Notre Dame after he visits Ann Arbor in the afternoon.  McDowell stands 6’6″ and weighs 292 lbs., and I think he’ll eventually end up at defensive tackle rather than end.

Plantation (FL) American Heritage RB Sony Michel: A 2014 prospect, he already has offers from Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami, and Notre Dame.  His older brother Marken is the leading receiver for UMass, which is likely the biggest reason for visiting Michigan.  The younger Michel is coming off an ACL tear he suffered during his sophomore year.

Detroit (MI) Southwestern RB Romello Ross: Ross is a 5’11”, 180 lb. running back from the class of 2015.  As a freshman in 2011, he had 1,312 yards rushing, 46 tackles, and 6 interceptions.  He doesn’t have any offers yet, but that’s not unusual for a kid at the beginning of his sophomore season. (Highlights.)

Novi (MI) Catholic Central RB Wyatt Shallman: Shallman committed to Michigan back in February.

Ottawa (IL) Marquette LS Scott Sypniewski: Sypniewski committed to Michigan back in June.

Detroit (MI) Cass Tech CB Damon Webb: Webb is a 5’11”, 170 lb. wide receiver/cornerback with offers from LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and others.  LSU and Michigan appear to be the front runners in his recruitment.

Detroit (MI) Cass Tech LB William White: White is a 6’1″, 215 lb. linebacker from the 2014 class.  Of the Cass Tech trio of linebackers, I think White is the second-most talented player behind Deon Drake. (Highlights of White.)

Harper Woods (MI) Chandler Park Academy WR Csont’e York: York committed to Michigan back in May.

25Aug 2012
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Recruit Tracker: Wyatt Shallman

Wyatt Shallman

August 24, 2012: Shallman’s Novi (MI) Catholic Central team beat Detroit (MI) Cody by a score of 35-0. Shallman had 4 carries for 50 yards and 1 touchdown, along with 8 tackles, 3 tackles for loss, and 1 sack on defense.

August 31, 2012: Catholic Central lost to Toledo (OH) Whitmer by a score of 19-7.  The running back/defensive end had 7 tackles and 2 tackles for loss but missed some time with cramps.  Shallman’s team is now 1-1 on the year.

22Aug 2012
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Rivals 250 for 2013 updated

Rivals updated its top 250 players in the nation.  Here’s what it looked like back in May.  The top 100 was updated yesterday.

Movement for the Michigan commits:

– Dymonte Thomas fell from #95 to #102
– Chris Fox fell from #57 to #112
– Jake Butt fell from #118 to #131
– Jourdan Lewis fell from #147 to #150
– David Dawson jumped from #171 to #165
– Wyatt Shallman fell from #182 to #206

– Ross Douglas fell from #222 to #232
– Taco Charlton fell from #175 to #233
– Logan Tuley-Tillman fell from #235 to #241
– Ben Gedeon fell out of the top 250

4-stars:


102. Dymonte Thomas – S – Ohio (Michigan)
103. Michael Hill – DT – South Carolina (Ohio State)
104. Evan Lisle – OT – Ohio (Ohio State)
105. Antwuan Davis – CB – Texas (Texas)
109. Elijah Daniel – DE – Indiana (Clemson)
111. Isaac Rochell – DE – Georgia (Notre Dame)
112. Chris Fox – OT – Colorado (Michigan)
115. Keith Ford – RB – Texas (Oklahoma)
121. Greg Webb – DT – New Jersey (North Carolina)

127. Jake Oliver – WR – Texas (Texas)
130. Brendan Mahon – OG – New Jersey (Penn State)
131. Jake Butt – TE – Ohio (Michigan)
136. Yannick Ngakoue – LB – Washington, D.C. (Maryland)
137. Jordan Wilkins – RB – Tennessee (Auburn)
145. Scott Pagano – DT – Hawaii (Clemson)
150. Jourdan Lewis – CB – Michigan (Michigan)
151. Joe Mathis – DE – California
156. Al-Quadin Muhammad – DE – New Jersey

158. Hunter Bivin – OT – Kentucky (Notre Dame)
160. Billy Price – DT – Ohio (Ohio State)

162. Darren Carrington – WR – California (Oregon)
165. David Dawson – OG – Michigan (Michigan)
167. Jordan Cunningham – WR – Florida

178. Maurice Smith – CB – Texas (Alabama)
182. James Quick – WR – Kentucky
186. Nadir Barnwell – CB – New Jersey
189. Eldridge Massington – WR – Texas (USC)
195. Jayme Thompson – S – Ohio (Ohio State)
197. Ishmael Wilson – OG – Texas (Texas A&M)
206. Wyatt Shallman – FB – Michigan (Michigan)
213. Jason Hatcher – DE – Kentucky (USC)
217. Devon Allen – WR – Arizona
218. Sebastian LaRue – WR – California (USC)
219. Chase Abbington – ATH – Missouri (Missouri)
221. Cole Luke – CB – Arizona
229. Darius Latham – DT – Indiana (Wisconsin)
232. Ross Douglas – CB – Ohio (Michigan)
233. Taco Charlton – DE – Ohio (Michigan)
241. Logan Tuley-Tillman – OT – Illinois (Michigan)

13Jun 2012
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Rivals: Michigan’s pre-season top 30 recruits for 2013

Csont’e York went from unknown to the #8 prospect in the state
On Tuesday, Rivals released its top 30 recruits from the state of Michigan.  There are six Wolverines on the list altogether.

1. Shane Morris – QB – Warren (MI) De La Salle
3. Jourdan Lewis – CB – Detroit (MI) Cass Tech
4. David Dawson – OG – Detroit (MI) Cass Tech
5. Wyatt Shallman – RB – Novi (MI) Catholic Central
8. Csont’e York – WR – Harper Woods (MI) Chandler Park
23. Khalid Hill – TE – Detroit (MI) Crockett

By comparison, Michigan State has #7 and #10, who are LB John Reschke and RB Gerald Holmes, respectively.

Other players of note on the list:

11. Kenton Gibbs – DT – Detroit (MI) Cass Tech: Gibbs is currently committed to Illinois and has not been offered by Michigan, but if he earns a Michigan offer, I think there’s a very good chance that he’ll switch his commitment.

13. Berkley Edwards – RB – Chelsea (MI) Chelsea: There has been a lot of noise about Michigan not offering Braylon Edwards’ younger brother, but he’s not really a need at this point.  If for some reason a roster spot opens up for a small-ish running back, he might get an offer.

24. Teo Redding – WR – Warren (MI) Collegiate: Redding is skinny and needs time to develop, but I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he ends up being the Dennis Norfleet of 2013 – a late offer to a local kid who’s a bit of a project.