Nightly Roundup: January 15, 2020

Nightly Roundup: January 15, 2020


January 15, 2020

Devin Bush, Jr. is good at football.

Hit the jump for more Michigan football news.

Here are some weigh-ins from the Senior Bowl:

Michael Onwenu has amazingly quick feet for a guy who’s over 360 pounds:

There’s also Jon Runyan, Jr.

Apparently Detroit is just really bad at stuff right now. It’s painful to be a Detroit fan…but I will continue.

Maryland offensive lineman Terrance Davis is transferring to Wake Forest (LINK). Davis was this close to committing to Michigan at one point.

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  1. Lanknows
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    Lanknows
    Jan 16, 2020 at 1:27 PM

    It does seem like sports success (or lacktherof) can be contagious sometimes. I hope Detroit’s virus doesn’t spread to AA.

    Despite the disaffection of many in the fanbase, Michigan’s top profile programs (football and basketball) continue to produce at top 20 levels year in and year out. This makes them both top 10 programs and Baseball had a historic season as well.

    • Lanknows
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      Lanknows
      Jan 16, 2020 at 1:41 PM

      The Detroit franchises I keep tabs on have absolutely earned their current failings. They’ve made overtly questionable decisions that many fans called out right away (and others justified, but mostly in defense).

      The Pistons waited a decade (too long) to rebuild from Billups/Wallace era. They’d be in dramatically better shape if they held on to quality young players like Dinwiddie and Middleton instead of making short-term moves targeting at squeaking into the playoffs. The Griffin trade remains a terrible mistake and spending in free agency is almost always a bad outcome for them.

      The Tigers also failed to correctly assess their situation. They’ve embraced a rebuild but it’s unclear if their management is up to the task. And somehow got Miguel Cabrera’s albatross contract extension along the way. That’s going to slow everything up for a while.

      The Lions are the Lions people are fond of saying. Who can argue at this point. They turned things around from an embarrassing level but then fired the guy who got them there. Shades of Rick Carlisle but there was no Larry Brown. They hitched their wagon to a slightly above average starting QB and imported the hangers on from Brady and Belichik. The next generation is here (Jackson, Mahomes, Prescott) – guys who come to the NFL from modern spread offenses. But Detroit is sticking to the traditional model of a pocket passer despite not having landed any of the ageing elite from the that golden era (Rogers, Brees, Brady, Manning).

      • UM_1973
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        UM_1973
        Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 PM

        Lanknows, I can easily compare what you said about the Lions to our beloved Michigan Wolverine. Michigan has hitched their wagon to an above average coach in Jim Harbaugh. Michigan is still sticking to the traditional model of a pocket passer, as supposed to the modern spread offense. In Harbaugh’s 6 years, Michigan has not thus far recruited next generation QB.

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Jan 17, 2020 at 9:47 AM

          Here’s the thing – it’s not backed up by outcomes.

          Harbaugh’s W-L record speaks for itself. He has raised Michigan up to be a top 10 program. As such, he should be celebrated as one of the best coaches in the country. Every place he has coached has dramatically improved with him at the helm.

          The mobile QB part – well that’s true, to a degree. I think he was slow to adapt due to Stanford’s success. But ultimately he recognized his limitations and brought in Gattis to modernize the offense. The trajectory there is positive. In terms of personnel our next QB, the first homegrown Harbaugh recruit to start, so far at least, looks like he will be highly mobile.

          It can’t be ignored that Harbaugh has landed some recruits that are essentially pocket passers like Peters but he has also tried to recruit some mobile QBs but hasn’t been successful (e.g., the kid at UCLA).

          I don’t think Harbaugh want’s Denard nor does he want Navarre. I think he wants a QB like himself — a guy who can pass accurately but also run 10 times a game. Russ Wilson, Steve Young, Pat Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence, and of course Colin Kaepernick and Josh Johnson these are all accurate passers but mobile enough to be a threat.

          I think that’s what he would like to have. But Speight and Rudock is what he could have. And then the Patterson opportunity popped up and you see a 5-star talent with the raw material to fit the model, he just didn’t quite play as well as we all hoped including Harbaugh I would guess.

          • Thunder
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            Jan 17, 2020 at 10:37 AM

            I think you might be underselling Peters as a runner. He ran for over 200 yards for Illinois this year on a team without a good offensive line. Peters is a good athlete, though certainly not a Lamar Jackson type.

            • Lanknows
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              Lanknows
              Jan 19, 2020 at 10:09 PM

              Fair point.

              So even the least mobile guy Harbaugh has brought in is reasonably athletic enough to be a run threat.

              • Thunder
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                Jan 19, 2020 at 11:28 PM

                I’m not sure that’s even fair. The year Peters actually played was the year that got Tim Drevno fired. If he had an Ed Warinner offensive line and/or a different offensive philosophy, he might have proven to look even more mobile than Milton, McNamara, etc.

                Also…there’s always Alex Malzone, though Malzone was in the transition class.

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            je93
            Jan 17, 2020 at 11:28 AM

            Where to start?

            We’re not a top10 team. Drop that

            I don’t even think we needed the Gattis switch. Sure, it’s more modern & fun, but we were a QB away from beating ohio in 2016 & 2017. Newsome at Left Tackle would have been a big plus as well
            On Peters, he lacks pocket awareness, which gets him KILLED, or hurried into a Pick. Dude can, and did run. I was actually impressed with his athleticism this year. Still not a great QB, for reasons I listed above, but a better runner than you’re describing

            • Lanknows
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              Lanknows
              Jan 19, 2020 at 10:10 PM

              As soon as you show me 10 teams that have been better over the last 5 years I will.

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                je93
                Jan 19, 2020 at 10:25 PM

                We just did this, like two weeks ago

            • Lanknows
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              Lanknows
              Jan 19, 2020 at 10:16 PM

              I think it’s an interesting debate if Harbaugh should have stuck with the old school model (a la Stanford). The thing is – you absolutely NEED a dominant OL to make it work. And you can’t score very quickly, so you better not get down. Was this ever going to work against OSU? Hard to say.

              OTOH, now we’re just like everyone else and playing catchup on personnel (relative to OSU and other elite programs). No real unique identity.

              Maybe we should have stuck with a model of having an elite defense and a grinding run game. I don’t know if the ceiling there is higher than the top 10 performance achieved.

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    je93
    Jan 16, 2020 at 3:30 PM

    So questioning Detroit sports teams is OK. Good to know

    • Lanknows
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      Lanknows
      Jan 16, 2020 at 3:55 PM

      I think Thunder is being totally reasonable in saying “Detroit is just really bad at stuff right now” in a sports context at least. The results back it up and he shows that.

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