Morning Roundup: August 11, 2019

Morning Roundup: August 11, 2019


August 11, 2019
Zach Gentry in high school

Zach Gentry says he tried to transfer when Jim Harbaugh wanted him to switch from quarterback to tight end (LINK).

I don’t know why a war of words is developing between Josh Gattis and Mike Locksley, but it is (LINK).

Ted Nguyen singled out former Michigan lineman Graham Glasgow:

This was a pretty cool moment for a guy who fudged his way into a tryout, slept on the beach, used up his last few dollars to get to the tryout, and didn’t even have good shoes to wear in the game until Odell Beckham gave him the cleats right off his feet:

Former Michigan cornerback Benjamin St-Juste is still upset that Michigan’s doctors thought he should retire from football:

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  1. Lanknows
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    Lanknows
    Aug 11, 2019 at 10:42 AM

    This Gattis Locksley thing sounds like fun. I hope they keep it up.

    The BSJ thing is like the Pipkins thing. Michigan needs to be careful with this stuff, or preferably, just not do it.

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      INTJohn
      Aug 11, 2019 at 1:34 PM

      Yeah, lets have Gattis running his mouth some more, instead of, you know actually concentrate on coaching the Michigan offense; ummm you know his actual professional job……..

      …….and hell while he’s at it maybe he can spend more time running his mouth to all of the other coaches on the schedule too.; Harbaugh has the former ones covered…….

      What ever happened to the Paul Brown Philosophy and continued by Bill Belichek; ” When you win say little & when you lose say even less.” ?
      Of course , one can argue, I guess, in the case of Gattis that since he’s never won or lost anything the above words of wisdom don’t apply, but geez doesn’t he still have a coaching job to attend to rather than run ala mouth about a former collegue?
      Gattis’ new offense, crack in space, coke in space, speed in space, meth in space wha ever its called sure better pan out…….

      Cause he’s sounding more & more like a loud mouth punk………intjohn

      • Lanknows
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        Lanknows
        Aug 11, 2019 at 5:18 PM

        Gattis spent all of 5 seconds on it. This was during a scheduled media session. You act like he’s cancelling practice to think up one-liners in the press.

    • Thunder
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      Aug 11, 2019 at 2:55 PM

      I really don’t have a problem with Michigan doing that sort of thing. Honestly, if you go two straight years with a medical issue that prevents you from playing football, maybe you should retire from football. And there are other occasions where maybe you should, too.

      Let’s put this another way:

      If there were any other job/task that you went two straight years being unable to do, isn’t it reasonable for someone to suggest that maybe you should pick something else? Or stop doing what you’re doing?

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        je93
        Aug 11, 2019 at 3:36 PM

        Agree 100%

        For all the talk about sports execs not caring about the health & well-being of their athletes, here we’ve got fingers being pointed over being too cautious – after missing TWO full years

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        INTJohn
        Aug 11, 2019 at 3:48 PM

        SOooo you’re saying Black should retire………?

        Yeah I’m being a smart ass but when you throw it up there like its a universal truth…….? Then Black should retire. Maybe he’s got genetically soft foot bones or just not football foot bones….

        IDK but you’ve left yourse’f open to this challenge and I’m not arguing anything or taking sides cause I’m not a Dr and even if i was I haven’t inspected any of these guys health & I really doh ev’n carebuh still…….
        Thanx…….INTJohn

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          je93
          Aug 11, 2019 at 6:32 PM

          Black didn’t miss two full seasons; he’s played in each, and played since. Black was a foot injury, not back – the latter could leave a young man crippled

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Aug 11, 2019 at 6:45 PM

          St Juste played in 12 games. Tarik Black has played in 9. St Juste got hurt once (afaik) before the bowl game his freshman year. Black has had the same injury twice. St Juste didn’t come back in 2018 while Black did – he spent most of his sophomore year looking like he wasn’t fully healthy.

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            je93
            Aug 11, 2019 at 11:01 PM

            St Juste played sparingly in those games: some special teams (including causing the turnover against Cincinnati), while Black was our #1 Receiver. The comparison isn’t close. Black’s injuries were on two separate body parts – he came back from both. St Juste never made it back. Again, it’s not close

            Then there’s this: “It’s football – people get hurt and they often play through it”
            St Juste wasn’t just hurt, he was inured. It cost him almost 20 months of football. There’s a difference

          • Lanknows
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            Lanknows
            Aug 12, 2019 at 11:57 AM

            The first sentence is exactly the point.

      • Lanknows
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        Lanknows
        Aug 11, 2019 at 5:14 PM

        I don’t think it’s reasonable in football, no.

        Mo Hurst had such a severe health concern that most NFL teams considered him undraftable. Tarik Black’s been hurt 2 years in a row. Wilton Speight broke his back. Drake Johnson fought injury after injury and came back. Grant Newsome stayed on scholarship for more than a year after his (legitimate) career injury for the sake of hope. Devin Gardner played on a broken foot. etc.

        It seems pretty clear the approach is different for potential starters vs clear backups. If this was really about caution it wouldn’t just be lower-caliber backups complaining about getting run off against their will.

        • Thunder
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          Aug 11, 2019 at 6:09 PM

          Wow…this is such a…haphazard argument. What does Devin Gardner have to do with anything? He played on a broken foot for like half of a game. Do you think he should have been advised to retire at halftime?

          Mo Hurst: When was his heart issue detected? If you don’t know, then it’s not really relevant.

          St-Juste was getting practice hype when he wasn’t injured, and he played a position where the coaches obviously knew they were going to lose several key players in short order (Hill and/or Long to the NFL, Watson to graduation). Right now Michigan has a shortage of cornerbacks, and you think they were forcing him out to do what? Make room for Jordan Glasgow to get a scholarship? Corey Malone-Hatcher was a 4-star defensive end, and they put him on medical practically as soon as he arrived on campus. You don’t think they want a 4-star defensive lineman?

          Newsome did what? He retired! He was a 4-star offensive tackle starter. He was injured on October 1, 2016, and by August of 2018, he was retired from football. How long did he eat up an athletic scholarship after he was injured? The rest of that 2016 season (obviously), then one more year (2017), and he was done.

          So no, it doesn’t seem pretty clear that the approach is different. In fact, it seems pretty consistent – consistently on a case-by-case basis.

          4-star starter? One year on scholarship post-injury, retire.
          4-star backup? One year on scholarship post-injury, suggestion to retire, transfer.
          4-star freshman DL? Retire immediately.
          3-star freshman WR? Retire immediately (if Quintel Kent is indeed done).
          4-star DT? Suggestion to retire, transfer.

          And for all we know at this point, Benjamin St-Juste will injure his hamstring again during fall camp and be unable to go for Minnesota.

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Aug 11, 2019 at 6:40 PM

          It’s football – people get hurt and they often play through it. Michigan isn’t some extra-cautious place.

          Here was your take on St Juste in the 2018 countdown. “I see no upward mobility for St-Juste. ” What happened since is he got passed by Vincent Gray and Hill decided to return. He’s also behind Thomas, so best case he’s a 4th corner and then you consider the decision was also made with Myles Sims – a much higher rated player – on the roster as well. He didn’t look like he was going to play in early 2019. What it looks like now is irrelevant.

          Where does that scholarship go instead? — how about to WR? or OL? or any other recruit you want to name.

          Why are the only guys complaining about this backups who have been passed by younger players? What do they gain by putting out a lie?

          • Thunder
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            Aug 11, 2019 at 7:03 PM

            You’re cherry-picking and taking things out of context purposefully. When I was talking about no upward mobility, that was clearly expressed regarding *2018*. Here’s another important thing I said in the same post:

            “Watson is a senior and Hill/Long could leave early for the draft, so maybe 2019 will be more sunny of an outlook for St-Juste.”

            That’s exactly what I repeated in the earlier comment with regards to the coaches knowing they would have roles to fill the next year.

            LOL. The only guys complaining about this are backups who have been passed by younger players…because the other guys agreed it was in their best interest to retire! Newsome was a starter, and he’s not complaining about retiring because apparently he should have retired. Corey Malone-Hatcher isn’t complaining about retiring, and no younger guys ever got a chance to pass him up. I don’t even understand the impetus for asking the question.

            There are two kinds of breakups:
            1. You break up with me, and therefore I’m offended.
            2. We mutually agree to break up.

            The people in group #2 aren’t going to complain about being heartbroken. It’s the people in group #1 who are going to complain. Obviously they don’t agree with the breakup, but it doesn’t mean the decision was a bad one.

            As for the Vincent Gray thing…I don’t know what you’re talking about. St-Juste was out for the season by September. Vincent Gray didn’t even play in a game until November 10. When exactly did Gray pass up St-Juste on the depth chart?

          • Lanknows
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            Lanknows
            Aug 12, 2019 at 12:05 PM

            Re: Depth chart – Watson and Long leaving opens things up but there was still 3 people ahead of him and more on the way. BSJ injury played a part in it, or it didn’t – that’s a hypothetical.

            Re: Non-complainers. When player and program agree on a legitimate health problem there is no issue. I don’t know why this is part of the discussion.

            Re: Breakups. The issue is when an institution makes a unilateral decision about an individual’s health. The decision to retire should be a player’s and the program should support them. What UM did with Newsome and others was the right thing. Pushing out people on scholarship who aren’t helping the team is as dubious as it is obviously in the program’s self-interest.

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Aug 11, 2019 at 6:54 PM

          What does Corey Malone Hatcher have to do with this debate? Nothing. I’ve never seen one word of complaint from him. I assume his injury is legit.

          What does “consistent on a case-by-case basis” mean?

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    je93
    Aug 11, 2019 at 11:43 AM

    Don’t they have an equipment room???

    “and didn’t even have good shoes to wear in the game until Odell Beckham gave him the cleats right off his feet”

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