Michigan 10, Iowa 3

Michigan 10, Iowa 3


October 6, 2019
Kwity Paye had 2.5 sacks (image via Detroit Free Press)

Enjoy Michigan football. I’ve seen a lot of complaints about Michigan’s offense, which we will indeed discuss. But those complaints are probably coming from a lot of the same people who have said Jim Harbaugh can’t win big games against tough opponents. Iowa was 4-0 and ranked #14 coming to Ann Arbor. It wasn’t a pretty win, but it counts the same in the Big Ten standings as a win over Ohio State or Rutgers.

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The defense played a great game. I won’t go as far as to say that Michigan has a great defense in 2019. There are some holes in a couple spots, and the Don Brown scheme still needs to be tested against good spread teams, not just Rutgers and Middle Tennessee. But the defense matched up well against Iowa’s pro-style offense. It was obvious pretty early that Iowa couldn’t handle Michigan’s blitz packages up front, and that turned into a nightmare performance for Nate Stanley. I’ve never understood the Stanley NFL Draft hype, because he’s immobile and can be indecisive. He’s like a lot of Iowa quarterbacks, in my opinion: he feeds off of a solid offensive line and running game, along with good ol’ fashioned downhill play action.

Kwity Paye had a coming out party. Defensively, Michigan had an excellent game overall and made 8 sacks. Paye had 2.5 of those sacks, and he didn’t even play the whole game after suffering a lower body injury of some sort. That’s the second multiple-sack game of his career (Northwestern 2018 was his first), but he now has 4 in the past two games. Paye has a good mix of strength, athleticism, and leverage, and he seems to be working on some counter moves to aid his natural ability. Shaun Nua took some criticism early in the year for the defensive line’s performance, but that unit made 4.5 of the 8 sacks on Saturday, and they have picked up their play recently.

It might be time to give the starting running back some playing time. If I have time, I’ll be talking more about this in a separate post early this week. But coming out of spring and then going into August practices, Jim Harbaugh said Tru Wilson was the starting running back. Zach Charbonnet has been the #1 guy so far, and Wilson has been limited by a hand injury. Wilson got 4 carries for 28 yards, and there was no garbage time for him to pad his stats. Michigan probably needs to give him more of a look.

Stop calling for Joe Milton. Shea Patterson didn’t have a great game, and I won’t suggest he played well. He was 14/26 for 147 yards and 1 interception; he was sacked twice and ended with a total of 7 carries for 25 yards. His one interception was a simple high-low read that he never should have thrown, but quarterbacks make mistakes. I see people on Twitter begging for Milton, and that’s not something I want to see anytime soon. He has 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions on 11 career passing attempts, mostly in garbage time. His strong arm is enticing, but he’s not mature enough (in the football sense) to handle the load in crunch time. While the deep ball might suddenly become more of a factor, the short-to-intermediate passing game would disappear.

The old Joe Milton is next. Up next week is Illinois and (potentially) former Michigan quarterback Brandon Peters. Peters was injured on Saturday against Minnesota, and his availability is in question for next week, which would be a little disappointing if he can’t play. Hopefully that will be a productive game offensively, because then Michigan will face Penn State and Notre Dame in back-to-back weeks.

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  1. JC
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    JC
    Oct 06, 2019 at 5:01 PM

    I’m happy we had the win, but that game didn’t instill great confidence in me. I’m now expecting at least 2 losses before OSU.

    Our field goal came off a drive starting around the 20.

    Our touchdown had a 51 yard bomb to Collins (didn’t look like an amazing throw) to get us to about the 20 before we inched our way in.

    That was the first 6 minutes and 27 seconds of the game. We would not score for the remaining 53 minutes and 33 seconds.

    After that, we had a few 10 yard plays, and exactly 4 plays of more than 10 yards. 18 yard run (Haskins) 20 yard reception (Black) 15 yard run (Patterson) 11 yard run (Wilson). That was it. We are not an explosive team.

    Even the drive after our touchdown, we had a Turner fumble, recovered by us, only to throw an interception on the next play. That’s not just unexplosive, but it’s bad.

    For a game with 4 Iowa turnovers to 1 UM turnover, I would expect to see a better score than 10-3. Am I happy we won? Yes, but with a +3 turnover margin, you should probably win by more than 7.

    Defense played a complete game. I’m disappointed Paye is out, he and Hutchinson are the brightest spots on our DL, but

    I don’t think I’ve ever called for Milton. I don’t think he’s a particularly good quarterback. His one touchdown pass was a great throw, but other than that he hasn’t been amazing in the limited sample we’ve seen. I would love to see what McCaffrey can do with a full game of playing time, solely because I’d like to know what he’s capable of. I believe the coaches are putting us in the best position to win, and that inlcudes playing the best players.

    I’m praying the offense puts it together in the next couple weeks, otherwise Penn State, ND, and MSU are all looking like rough games.

  2. JC
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    JC
    Oct 06, 2019 at 5:03 PM

    I’m happy we had the win, but that game didn’t instill great confidence in me. I’m now expecting at least 2 losses before OSU.

    Our field goal came off a drive starting around the 20.

    Our touchdown had a 51 yard bomb to Collins (didn’t look like an amazing throw) to get us to about the 20 before we inched our way in.

    That was the first 6 minutes and 27 seconds of the game. We would not score for the remaining 53 minutes and 33 seconds.

    After that, we had a few 10 yard plays, and exactly 4 plays of more than 10 yards. 18 yard run (Haskins) 20 yard reception (Black) 15 yard run (Patterson) 11 yard run (Wilson). That was it. We are not an explosive team.

    Even the drive after our touchdown, we had a Turner fumble, recovered by us, only to throw an interception on the next play.

    For a game with 4 Iowa turnovers to 1 UM turnover, I would expect to see a better score than 10-3. Am I happy we won? Yes, but with a +3 turnover margin, you should probably win by more than 7.

    Defense played a complete game. I’m disappointed Paye is out, he and Hutchinson are the brightest spots on our DL.

    I don’t think I’ve ever called for Milton. I don’t think he’s a particularly good quarterback. His one touchdown pass was an amazing throw, but other than that he hasn’t been amazing. I would love to see what McCaffrey can do with a full game of playing time, but I also trust the coaches and believe they’re putting us in the best position to win, which includes playing the best players.

    I’m praying our offense can put it together in the next couple of weeks, otherwise Penn State, ND, and MSU are all going to be rough.

  3. GrandLake
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    GrandLake
    Oct 06, 2019 at 5:18 PM

    Few thoughts:
    UM beat a good team – this is a good thing.
    Offense is still a problem and no I do not think Milton is the answer although I can’t believe he wasn’t inserted with 1 second left in 1st half to throw Hail Mary. Probably the only scenario where he should be playing in a close game.
    Shea is probably not going to play any better – just looks like he has hit his ceiling. Never going to run much and not really going get all the WRs involved. Would love to know how UM throws to Sainristil and Bell with 10mins left on the Iowa 20 yd line of a game where they really need points. How are Collins or DPJ not running that corner route?
    Tru needs more snaps although I didn’t think anyone else looked that bad. Even Haskins appears to have gotten better.
    DB called a very good game and really seems to know how to get the most from McGrone although not sure why anyone should be in man coverage on 3rd and 27 where Hill got beat. While he doesn’t get all the sacks Danna looks like quite effective on D.
    Did not get a great look but I think Dax Hill May have saved the end of the game with the last tackle. He looked like he was the last UM defender for a lot of yards.
    Finally – I think Joel Klatt contributes some good commentary during the game. Read the Shea Int correctly and also called out the officiating for the horrible no call when Wirfs was basically tackling Danna on last series. Nice to not have to turn the volume off during game.

    • Klctlc
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      Klctlc
      Oct 07, 2019 at 11:48 AM

      Thunder just a quick note. Can’t log onto site from work you are blocked (virus related) never had much issue before just the redirect stuff. I had to log in via iPhone. You may wanna check it out

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    je93
    Oct 06, 2019 at 5:29 PM

    D was fantastic yesterday. Saved our butts, and I lost count of how many plays I noticed 2-3 players showing out. I’ve been critical of Dwumfor, but I thought he was pretty good against a really good Iowa OL

    What’s it mean for the future? If our offense can do anything – anything good at all – we can beat Illinois, Maryland, Indiana, and even sparty. That’s 8-4, but the offense needs to at least move up to below average. sigh

    Couldn’t agree more on Milton!!!

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    awolverine10
    Oct 06, 2019 at 5:53 PM

    When a team or unit inexplicably underperforms, I always wonder if locker room / off-the-field chemistry issues are behind the dysfunction.

    For example, yesterday I did not see Shea getting a lot of love from his teammates — after a sack his OL did not come to scoop him up; on another scramble OOB I saw the sideline UM players step out of his way (5 yards out of bounds) instead of catch his momentum, pat him on the helmet, etc. Is it possible that his teammates just don’t like the guy, don’t want to play hard around him?

    I’m not trying to start rumors but I’m just curious if a HS coach like Thunder ever picks up on weird interpersonal energy like this.

    • JC
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      JC
      Oct 07, 2019 at 9:41 AM

      I too noticed this and am curious if it’s telling, or just something we’re looking for.

    • Thunder
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      Oct 07, 2019 at 9:47 AM

      Based on some of the cues you noticed and comments I’ve heard/seen, I don’t think Patterson is a favorite. I think everybody loved Denard, everybody loved Gardner, everybody loved Henne, etc. I don’t necessarily think Patterson is despised by teammates or anything. I just don’t know that he’s the guy everyone is willing to run through a brick wall for. We have to keep in mind that he transferred in from Ole Miss, so he’s a senior but has only been around for two years. He didn’t have that “Hey, we’re all a part of the 2016 class” or “Hey, I’ve known you since high school and I’m going to recruit you and be there when you take your official visit” background with these guys. That doesn’t mean you can’t build that rapport, but I think it’s harder.

      I do think the team believes he is QB1.

  6. JC
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    JC
    Oct 06, 2019 at 6:03 PM

    We had 4 plays of over 10 yards after the 51 yard bomb to Nico Collins. We didn’t score in the last 53 minutes and 27 seconds of the game. Our defense was outstanding. I’m hoping our offense has a coming out party sometime soon.

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    INTJohn
    Oct 06, 2019 at 7:18 PM

    This game was The Good, The Bad & The Ugly……………. A horribly Ugly Win! And that takes care of The Good and well The Ugly.
    Now for The Bad.
    Michigan still has not fixed its inability to protect the ball. They had 1 interception and 3 fumbles. They were fortunate that they somehow managed to recover all 3 of those fumbles in this game ORrrr it probably turns into a 12-10 Iowa win. Ferentz managed to help Michigan with his play calling, I think, but after 25ish? sumthin years Ferentz is Ferentz.

    Its hard to enjoy Michigan Football, Thunder, when Wins continue to feel like losses but Michigan did manage to turn Iowa into hmmmm Michigan! And lose a game that was theirs to win by playing (in The Big House) like Michigan.

    Yes! Thank God for DB’s defense (its Sunday I’m feeling……?) Typical FBS QB’s will always struggle against DB’s blitz attack but I did think Iowa’s OL would play better. Wha e’er, its a win & Michigan needs to take it. This victory might be what gets Michigan into a somewhat decent 2nd tier Xmas weekend bowl game but that’s about all I can say positive about it.

    Now, after spring practice & fall practice and 6 weeks into the season and having played 5 games………….Can anyone please tell me, describe for me, cause I’m stupid and am having a raheeely hard time understanding, can someone give me some semblance of a definition as to just wtf exactly is “Speed In Space”???????
    I mean outside of a cute lil pre season BS business marketing verbage ploy by the coaching staff (maybe they got it from a “Rosshole”, IDK) Please wtf is it? Any1 know?
    Mmmm Kay; maybe Michigan gets to 8-4. This game has given me a teeny weeny bit of hope that maybe, jez MAYBE!…….
    Michigan can beat Sparty at home; Maybe.
    But after 5 years of Harbaugh? 8-4 is loserville.
    Like Matt Millan said “8-4 STINKS!!!”
    I’ll be back………….INTJohn

  8. Lanknows
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    Oct 06, 2019 at 8:59 PM

    Kemp was really good. I don’t know if Iowa’s weak interior OL is a factor in that but I think he’s legit. He’s been playing well all year. Getting Dwumfour back is huge for this team. I didn’t notice Mason, Speight, or any freshman out there and that was good.

    McGrone still looked good. Glasgow still looked like a liability in coverage.

    Iowa looked like they tried to pick on Gray and he held up.

    I don’t see a 2017 level defense but they look better than I expected they would be.

    Harbaugh deserves so much credit for getting and keeping Brown. He’s plugged the hole at DT as well as he can I think. Saw Hutchinson playing NT, Danna at DT. Good balance of leaning on his best 3 guys and rotating in others.

    Nua looks like a good hire IMO.

    • Lanknows
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      Oct 06, 2019 at 9:13 PM

      I don’t need to add to the people complaining about the offense. I will just say that I’ve seen criticism of the WR, the QB, and the OL. These didn’t suddenly become bad players.

      The transition costs are much higher than we thought. Is it a disaster? Maybe. I hope not.

      At least they had some run/pass balance this week. I kind of agree with Harbaugh that there was progress. Still not very confidence inducing.

      I don’t think it makes much difference who plays RB.

      The backup QB talk is just laughable but yeah – put in the guy with the cannon arm for the hail mary, there I agree.

    • Lanknows
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      Oct 06, 2019 at 9:16 PM

      Season outlook – Looks like more of an 8-4 caliber team than a 9-3 team. But 8-4 caliber teams can finish 10-2. Hopefully they get some breaks and finish the season strong.

      If a Michigan fan can’t enjoy a win like this I feel bad for them.

      • Lanknows
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        Oct 06, 2019 at 9:34 PM

        Just going to say right now — I don’t think we’ll go 0-3 against ND, PSU, and OSU like people seem to be assuming.

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          UM2013
          Oct 06, 2019 at 10:33 PM

          I tend to agree with that last point, although I worry that may be blind optimism. I just cant believe that this offense will remain this inept all season long. I really think it has to start with the offensive line developing some sort of identity and continuity – I don’t care what that ‘system’ actually ends up being, but this team has to have a cohesive running game in order to be successful. The good news is that we theoretically have just the man (Warriner) to make that happen. Bad news is that we’ve seen close to zero progress so far this year…

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            je93
            Oct 06, 2019 at 11:02 PM

            Did you miss 2017, 14, 13, 12, 09 and 2008?

            “I just cant believe that this offense will remain this inept all season long”

            • Thunder
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              Oct 07, 2019 at 9:42 AM

              There were other factors in those years (QB injury, new system, crappy coach) that caused the continuing ineptitude. Right now we don’t really have QB injury issues, the offensive system isn’t THAT much of a transition like it was from Carr to Rodriguez, etc. Whether Gattis is a crappy OC or not is yet to be determined, I guess, but we knew Al Borges was a Band-Aid considering his lack of continued success earlier in his career.

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                Oct 07, 2019 at 10:15 AM

                Exactly – I’m not going to count the Hoke years for obvious reasons. We really don’t have any offensive personnel issues right now (which is what makes our performance so puzzling).

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          UM2013
          Oct 07, 2019 at 11:33 AM

          Just listened to the mgoblog podcast. If DCaf is ready next week, do you go with him from here on out? I’m struggling with that one. Patterson has definitely regressed, but I just have a hard time believing he cant get back to last year’s level…

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            WindyCityBlue
            Oct 07, 2019 at 12:57 PM

            Was McCaffrey even dressed against Iowa? Has he been cleared to even practice? I think it’s very unlikely he’ll be available against Illinois, and I’m not sure we should use him even if he were. We can beat Illinois with Iowa Patterson, and probably even Milton.

            • Thunder
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              Oct 07, 2019 at 1:04 PM

              No, McCaffrey wasn’t available, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he got cleared. He’s already been out two weeks (he got hurt on September 21), and this Saturday would be three weeks since he got hurt. Not saying he will/should be back, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Lots of guys don’t take three weeks to come back from a concussion; it just depends on how quickly the symptoms dissipate.

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                Oct 07, 2019 at 2:29 PM

                If he is cleared, would you start him against Illinois? I’d stick with Patterson, but I certainly see the argument. Very frustrating because this team does seem to have the talent to finish 10-2 / 9-3, but its going to require competence from the QB position.

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      Joby
      Oct 06, 2019 at 9:21 PM

      Kemp and Dwumfour really helped to, uh, Paye off the pass rush by pushing the interior pocket. I don’t think it’s coincidence that Kwity Paye has had his best two games after Dwumfour’s return.

      Lanknows, to your point, I think it was Gray that got hosed with the PI call from an underthrown ball when he was just a half step behind the receiver, with his head turned. The coverage was responsible for at least 3 of those 8 sacks.

      I believe awolverine10’s hypothesis.

      • Lanknows
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        Oct 06, 2019 at 9:25 PM

        I don’t think it’s a coincidence either. They pushed the pocket and helped shut down the run game entirely.

        Coverage was good most of the day and Gray is rotating in a lot. I’m impressed with the kid. Looking like another hit for Zordich.

    • Lanknows
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      Oct 06, 2019 at 9:30 PM

      I won’t claim to have watched super closely but I never noticed Danna doing anything special. He might be JAG. No shame in that but I do worry about Paye and Hutchinson wearing down by OSU if they keep playing so many snaps.

      Would be nice to get something from Jeter, Villain, or somebody else younger.

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      INTJohn
      Oct 07, 2019 at 10:47 AM

      After 5 years of Harbaugh and factoring in his salary and the lack of championship results, I’m having a hard time giving him credit for anything at this point except getting Michigan back to where they are beating the teams they should beat. Iowa in AA fits this category.
      Keeping DB apparently came at the expense of Greg Mattison and the major problem with DB’s defense apparently is the DL – Mattison’s specialty. Coupled with GM moving on to OSU and apparently being a big part of the fix to OSU defense problems of last year; OSU is a better team than what we saw last year – defensively but also offensively.
      Don’t get me wrong, glad DB is here but his defenses have always struggled against premo “A” team offenses and Iowa hardly fits that category. Iowa is a ‘B’ Team and so is Michigan and Ferentz’ offense is about as predictable as day & night so its not like DB didn’t know what Iowa would do or when. The book on Iowa is well known and goes back decades….
      Ferentz is just a Haden Fry clone…………….INTjohn

    • Lanknows
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      Oct 07, 2019 at 12:19 PM

      If you doubt a diagnosis you get a second opinion. If you need a 3rd you’re probably just in denial.

      Last year’s depth chart is the same as this years. The OC changed but the depth chart didn’t.

      1. Patterson
      2. McCaffrey
      3. Milton

      Now it’s the OC’s job to make the offense go and to utilize the skills of the personnel he has. My focus would be less on experimentation and more on execution, but if he wants to rotate QB against Illinois to see if one of the backups has some juice that’s fine I think. Illinois is a bad team with bad QBs and isn’t a threat to upset Michigan.

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        WindyCityBlue
        Oct 07, 2019 at 1:06 PM

        I wouldn’t rotate, but I’d sit Patterson as early as possible and get Milton in there to get some reps, even if it means winning by 14 instead of 28. I don’t relish the idea of having to use Milton when it matters, but until McCaffrey is back (which will be who knows when, but definitely not this week), we will always be just one play away from that possibility, so let’s get him as ready as possible.

        • Lanknows
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          Oct 07, 2019 at 1:35 PM

          If the goal is to get Milton ready then I think a rotation is probably more beneficial than waiting till the game is out of hand. I don’t see any issue with what you’re suggesting but I doubt it’s going to move the needle since he has already played against Wisconsin, Florida and OSU last year. That included some meaningful downs against the Badgers.

          He’s raw for a sophomore but it’s not like he’s never been under the lights. It’s just going to take time.

          There’s people who want to throw him in at starter today and there’s people who wanted him to transfer away a few months ago because he was blocked by McCaffrey. I think most people recognize there’s a happy medium where Milton spends a few years developing as a backup and gets his shot at starting when he is ready.

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    je93
    Oct 06, 2019 at 10:30 PM

    ohio and ND are a lot better than us. To win either, we’d need a big-time upset

    PennSt is on the road, and has a D that we will struggle to move against. Our D will likely fall apart after a valiant first quarter

    Sparty is tricky. Their D will stop our run, and we don’t have the QB to make them pay. I can see our turnover problem resulting in a 0-10 loss

    7-5 is more likely than 9-3. In year5. Of Jim Harbaugh. With an experienced OL, returning starter at QB, and at least two future NFL WRs

    What a mess

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    WindyCityBlue
    Oct 07, 2019 at 6:14 AM

    Better to win than to lose, but I saw nothing in this game to make me think that our chances of winning the remaining tough games on our schedule are any better. We might beat State 10-9, but 10 points on offense will get us crushed against PSU, OSU and ND, even if our defense plays its best, and that seems to be our ceiling against defenses with a pulse.

    I do understand why some people are hankering to see Milton. They know that without better quarterbacking, we’re going to get rolled against the remaining ranked teams on our schedule, and that Patterson has zero chance of being better than what we’ve seen. He is what he is, and he is not fixable. They feel like Milton at least has potential for improvement, and is worth a try if he has even a 1% chance of being better than Shea at some point this season, even if the much more likely outcome is that we will do worse with him in there.

    • Lanknows
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      Oct 07, 2019 at 10:48 AM

      You’re saying this O’s ceiling is 10 points against PSU, OSU, or ND?

      I’d put money against this one.

      • GrandLake
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        Oct 07, 2019 at 1:36 PM

        I wouldn’t call it a hard ceiling esp given the talent at WR but I would love to know what exactly is the catalyst that results in multiple TDs against any of those teams. What is strange is that I thought part of the advantage of switching to RPO was because it was a better offense for Shea and yet we are 1/3 through the season and he doesn’t seem comfortable at all. Maybe there was something to the Gattis comment about too much golf over the summer. Again – I’m not calling for an immed Qb change. If Coaches are fairly rationale and if DM gave a better chance of winning games, he would be playing but I don’t see any upward trend so far for Shea other than the fact that he at least ran 2x s vs Iowa.

      • Lanknows
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        Oct 07, 2019 at 3:03 PM

        A summer spent golfing all day would explain a lack of improvement but not a regression.

        YPA is down 8.0 to 7.6 despite a relatively easier schedule. Completion percentage down from 65 to 58 percent.
        TD to INT ratio decreased from 3 to 2.
        More advanced stats look even worse.

        This is not the abject disaster some would have you think but it’s not good to go backward. I’m very skeptical this is on Patterson. Maybe it is but the run game is having similar challenges despite supposedly upgrading at RB.

        • Lanknows
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          Oct 07, 2019 at 3:04 PM

          The problem for those who want to run a backup QB live test during the season is that the backups haven’t done anything to warrant a change.

          McCaffrey can run but a) hasn’t earned the coaches trust to throw b) doesn’t have a good arm and c) seems to get hurt a lot.

          Milton has an arm but a) hasn’t earned the coaches trust to throw, b) looks about as raw as reported and c) was supposedly well behind McCaffrey just a few weeks ago.

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        WindyCityBlue
        Oct 07, 2019 at 4:23 PM

        I’ve seen nothing to make me think otherwise. We now have two data points against good defenses, one on the road and one at home. Runyan, Wilson and DPJ are back, and our ceiling has not gone up. In addition to Wisconsin and Iowa, we only scored 14 in regulation against Army, playing at home, a team Tulane just put up 42 against, playing on the road. Tulane rushed for 324 yards on 53 carries against the same team we did 45 carries for 108 yards against. They had 5 guys with longer runs than our best of the day. Our offense is bad, and showing no signs of improvement.

        Saying “I can’t believe we won’t get better” is not evidence or argument that we will.

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    je93
    Oct 07, 2019 at 8:13 AM

    A TD pass against Rutgers changes nothing. Starting Milton puts games against Indiana, Maryland, and even the Illini in heists jeopardy

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      Oct 07, 2019 at 8:37 AM

      I don’t necessarily disagree, just trying to explain what seems to be the thinking of the Miltonites. It may also be that they see him as a guy who can run the ball more effectively without so much risk of getting bashed up. Michigan fans have a lot of memories of getting gashed by QBs who were not good passers, but beat us with their feet, and they want that kind of quarterback for themselves.

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        Oct 07, 2019 at 9:34 AM

        That brings up another question. Why do fans think Milton is a good runner? He’s big, not fast or quick, and didn’t run much in HS

        He might get us some Speight yards, but he’s no DRob or Gardner

        • Thunder
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          Oct 07, 2019 at 9:40 AM

          I don’t necessarily think Milton is a great runner like Denard or Gardner, but I will say that he moves better than I thought he would based on his high school film.

        • Lanknows
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          Lanknows
          Oct 07, 2019 at 10:49 AM

          I’ve wondered this same thing but the coaches put him in early against Wisconsin to run the ball for some reason.

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            WindyCityBlue
            Oct 07, 2019 at 11:08 AM

            Yes, the coaches have used him in clearly running situations. And he at least doesn’t give you the feeling that he could break in half on any decent hit, like pretty much all of Harbaugh’s other QBs.

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    Extrajuice
    Oct 07, 2019 at 9:59 AM

    Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Shane Morris, Andre Ware, Cardale Jones, Mike McMahon… GUNSLINGERS! Please add Milton to the list above. At least some of these guys were 1st rd picks. I think Milton fits closest with Shane Morris.

    I’m all about playing him in the useless bowl game but otherwise I don’t want to see him again this year. He does 1 thing well… “throw ball hard”. He’s NOT a runner! He’s a drop back, throw it up for grabs passer that has no feel for throwing a fb. Let alone, how to read a defense yet. His interceptions were ugly and some of his other throws were 95 mph worm killers to a target 3 ft away. Milton is HUGE project that will take a lot more time to develop. Let the kid practice another year or 2 and then find out what we have. Until then keep Shea healthy. It’s really all we have and just maybe… he’ll have a career game against PSU, ND, OSU or MSU (which I think is a 50/50 game at best right now).

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    INTJohn
    Oct 07, 2019 at 11:07 AM

    Milton needs reps. Not starts tho but he needs to play some against Ill & Mary.

    Re PSU, ND, Spart & OSU. I’m 1a the ones that thinks Michigan gets beat by 3 of those 4: PSU, ND & OSU and I have Sparty at a tossup at best. This is not based on ‘assumption’ but history & empirical evidence.
    Harbaugh , in 5 years, hasn’t shown he can beat a good to excellent team on the road – hence a PSU win.
    After seeing the way Michigan has played at home against average to mediocre teams and seeing the way ND played on the road against Ga, I see this as an ND win.
    Dantonio always has Sparty jackt for the Wolverines & they have a very good defense and Michigan has a bad offense AND Harbaugh has yet to show he can beat Dantonio at Home in The Big House – hence ‘tossup’ at best.
    OSU – really? Is there anything anyone has seen from Michigan so far and OSU so far that gives anyone a sense of a W against the Buckeyes? Yeah Bo in AA beat a hellacious Buckeye team in ’69 – the Buckeyes handed that game to Bo by committing 7 turnovers in that game. And one never knows what the weather might be – maybe an early season blinding snowstorm and 7 turnovers but at this point a W for OSU.
    As I See It………..INTJohn

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    Oct 07, 2019 at 3:19 PM

    The D Line is playing MUCH better. Dwumfour is back. And Danna is adding a lot of excitement. I love how he plays.
    Cam McGrone should have been made a starter much sooner. And Hassan Haskins should be getting much more carries. I don’t know why the coaching staff is so slow to make personnel changes, so slow to recognize who is playing good.
    I saw Urban Meyer say, every week he would go to the coaches, both on offense and defense, and ask, “Who are your 11 best players?” He did this every week. Those 11 would be who would be named starters that week. If it turned out that 5 DBs were among the 11 best players on defense, he would pull a LB and play and extra DB, and adjust everything on defense to have 5 DBs on the field. Michigan apparently doesn’t do this.
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    Illinois has a very, very bad run defense. Michigan should run all day on them. Maybe 2 backs over 100. At least I’m hoping to see that.

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    TheWolverines24
    Oct 08, 2019 at 10:16 AM

    Thunder, do you know what percentage of zone D we are seeing on passing downs? Shea’s biggest weakness is quickly reading zone D and NW put that on film for all to see last season. I believe OSU zoned us the majority of the 3Q last season as well and we ended up with 0 points, 1 first down and I think about 12 non-penalty yards.

    I think the reason for Shea’s regression is likely the simplest answer, which is facing more zone D.

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